Are you passionate about football and want to earn some side income? Wahey, another mention of Los Pumas maybe you should write about the Mexican League as well Tim and the BBC will pay you more?Pity the Libertadores isn't on at a more work-friendly time for us Europeans, I'd love to watch, just to see some unfamiliar names for once. The Rubro-Negro clinched their third Copa Libertadores crown with Saturday's 1-0 victory over Athletico after Gabriel Barbosa's strike in the 45th minute. I think its a shame that these competitions together with the Copa America are not shown on open TV in the UK. By reputation, a line up of Zanetti, Samuel, Heinze, AN Other, Mascherano, Cambiasso, Veron, Messi, Aguero, Higuain would appear to be something approaching Argentina's strongest line up (possibly substituting Tevez or di Maria for one or other of the forward line). The Champions League and Copa Libertadores are unique in their own way. Read about the heroics of Ecuadorian football in the last 10 years.Plus, you should never underestimate the Russians! Tim in reference to the question about the possible right back for Argentina at the world cup this summer, I wanted to know your opinion Pablo Zabaleta's chances on making the squad and possibly starting. Complain about this comment (Comment number 39). A blast from the past. I doubt that the shooting of Cabanas - who I believe has now moved out of the intensive care unit - will have much effect on the trade. It now seems unthinkable that Borussia Dortmund, Red Star Belgrade, Marseille or Ajax would be able to build the best team in Europe and win the Champions League, or even that a team like Panathinaikos could reach the semis.--------------------------------------------------------Ya ppl make me laugh, laugh out loud i think feel.Think man. They arrived 1:30 late for the game and without any kit (boots, jerseys), as all of them got stuck in the airport. Think about the Liverpool Chelsea rivalries over the past few years, the incredible passing game Barcelona play and the surprises like CSKA Moscow this season who were very unlucky not to win at Old Trafford this season. You may think teams ebb and flow but the examples you use are largely big 5 teams. Its understandable why we're complaining but really what's happening is that we're seeing some of the most highly trained sportsmen on the planet go up against each other on a semi-regular basis trying to better each other (no matter how over paid, arrogant, dim whitted they are).However, I would say that "champions league" as a name is sham. Still what would you rather watch as a neutral, guys like Messi and Ronaldo showing moments of quality that leave you in awe or a bunch of guys that most people haven't heard of or if they so happen to be any good are on their first one way ticket to Europe. Paranaense midfielder Fernandinho points out the main differences between European and South American finals. At least this year we won't have to watch Chelsea v Liverpool yet again! Since then, Barcelona of Ecuador in 2017 are the only club from outside the big two to have made it to the semifinals. Ever since the influx of money into the European game in the late 80's early 90's it was always bound to topple its S.American rivals. Complain about this comment (Comment number 57), I must be mad and realise i am in a minority (of probably 1) but maradona has done a good job since taking over..i could only imagine that all the posters suggesting he hasnt hadnt watched the dire performances pre maradona trust me they were hopeless and even more disjointed.Having such a massive player base is a blessing in one way but difficult when you takeover halfway through a campaign, i have a sneaking suspicion theywill do better than most think, Complain about this comment (Comment number 58). For the latest updates across BBC blogs, visit the Blogs homepage. Why is it that so many players from Paraguay are coming to play in Mexico, and do you think the recent incident with Salvador Cabaas, who to me has been the closest to emulating what Cardozo did in Mexico, discourage Paraguayan players from coming to Mexico?Rafael Diaz He appeared to be an outstanding prospect in one of those tournaments, I forget which. You could also have a reasonable punt that most of the teams from these countries will get through their first stage groups. Their football is different but they have good teams, it has become more exciting since the rise of Zenit and Kazan but beore this the league frequently, and predictably, fell to Muscovite hands.And Germany was quite predictable, and potentially still will be, due to Bayern Munich being easily the greatest side historically. Libertadores Jogador Champions; Flamengo (2019) Bayern (2013) Atltico-MG (2013) Barcelona (2006) . will he be the first choice keeper? This is the equivalent of the European Champions League (all bets in the Champions League).Throughout the history of this tournament, 25 teams from seven countries have won the competition. Teams can emerge from nowhere, players can find the key to unlock their natural ability. Last Thursday in Peru, Alianza Lima kicked off - and it took Sosa just seven seconds to charge down a forward punt and race away to score. Later, with the AC Milan italiano, he won two European Cups in 2003 Y 2007. Complain about this comment (Comment number 59). Four of them also won the 2002 World Cup with Brazil! They had no other choice as their squads had been considerably weakened after winning the Libertadores. JUAN PABLO SORIN. Nuno Espirito Santo is the favourite to be Arsenals next manager, Romelu Lukaku has outperformed every Man Utd player in 19/20, Flamengo fans celebrations after historic Copa Libertadores win, Tottenham: 42k-a-week star 'frustrating player' for Conte at Hotspur Way, Man Utd: 15m star 'couldn't turn down' January move to Old Trafford, Chelsea: 150k-a-week star 'will always start over rival' at Stamford Bridge, See all Brazil Football Results & Fixtures. This arguably leads to a relatively predictable Champions League, not that that is in any way a criticism. Sort By: New -> Old | Old -> New. The crowds wre knowledgeable and enthusiastic and it was all great entertainment. How on earth can you justify that?Obviously, it's about money. That's what matters at the end, great football games, and the CL knockout stages usually deliver those.Regarding Libertadores, it's also a fantastic tournament for its unpredictability and its drama. It's because the South American Champions will lose their best players in the interval between winning the Libertadores and playing against the European champions. Will it be as 'boring' as the CL? From my standpoint, the Copa Libertadores has more controversy, much more physical football and better atmospheres. Visit the BBC Sport website. He once got Eoin Morgan to commentate on THAT Super Over and is an above average FIFA player. It's based on personal preference. Differentials are opening up in South America; clubs that are well run, have wealthy sponsors and do well from the distribution of TV money have broken away from the rest, and are making themselves present in the closing stages of the Libertadores year after year. No, of course not. The last three teams in the competition will make their debut this week - three Brazilian heavyweights, Internacional with an impressive squad, and the big two, Flamengo, with Adriano and Vagner Love, and Corinthians with Ronaldo and Roberto Carlos. Nacional of Uruguay start out from an even worse position. As such, both tournaments are very similar to each other, just that they are organised in different continents! Besides Copa Libertadores scores you can follow 1000+ football competitions from 90+ countries around the world on Flashscore.com. Now that's out of the way I can make a meaninful comment on a very relevant topic.Sorry to cop out but I agree with pretty much both sides arguing for and against the predicability of the champions league (can't comment on the Cope Libatores i'm afraid). The Champions League and Copa Libertadores finals are the only one-legged rounds during the knockout stage of either competition. Unless you're a supporter of the usual suspects, the CL offers very little in terms of surprise. 37 - I also think Maradona has been poor so far, but to rule Argentina out of the owrld cup would be folly. The fact is that as globalisation tends to produce fewer, bigger companies so it produces fewer, bigger clubs. The double-legged rounds ensure that there is no unfair advantage of only one team playing in their home ground. by | Nov 3, 2022 | children's hospital of philadelphia | Nov 3, 2022 | children's hospital of philadelphia I think if you had a situation where all the major clubs lost their two best players every season you would have an equally unpredictable CL tournament as sometimes clubs would replace well, sometimes they wouldn't. Both the Champions League and Copa Libertadores contain 2 legs for each knockout round. So with that in mind, it got us thinking, which players have lifted club footballs biggest prizes in both South America and Europe? Read more. Thanks. His maiden Champions League win came in 2007, alongside Dida. Great blog Tim,I cannot for the life of me understand why people are saying the CL is boring and predictable.It has provided many shocks and surprises, Porto in '04, Valencia finalists in '00 and '01.need I go on.Maybe these guys need to stop watching football, by the way if you argue that way, what about the WC.c'mon!!!! Hi Tim,I was wondering what you would think would be the outcome of the last eight of both the Champions League and the Copa Libertadores playing in a direct europe vs americas knockout system? It is the day you gathered your friends in a tasty barbecue and get ready for a war. Suazo (Chile) of Monterrey comes to mind, Maldonado (Venezuela) of Atlante, Itamar (Brazil) of Tigres One or two have also made successful moves from Mexico to Europe, such as Christain Bentez (Colombia?) He has been superb every time I have seen him this season for Valencia.On the Champions League debate, it is weighted in the big clubs favour, UEFA don't want to risk not having a big club in the competition to make them more money etc. Fernandez also spent two seasons in Europe - and came back from Russia and Belgium without a single league goal. In this year's final, it's Flamengo vs Athletico Paranaense duking it out for the highest prize South America has to offer. You can read more about the loan players rules in the different leagues with my guide. @68 "And still win it (22 out of 43 (Toyota Cup) and 3 out of 6 (CWC))!That's why the South American football is so great in all senses." I like Cambisso but feel you only need Masch to start. True, in the last few years the Mexicans had not done as well, but they had supplied three finalists and six semifinalists between 2000 and 2015, and their absence has undoubtedly made things easier for the Brazilians and Argentines. Copa Libertadores in not lower than Champion League. With just six countries supplying the 16 teams in the knockout phase of the Champions League, many in Europe are concerned by excessive concentration. Last season was special with Wolfsburg claiming the crown but normal service has been resumed this time as Leverkusen battle it out with Munich and Schalke.Similar to the standard of Paraguayan football, The Bundesliga is relatively improving, and fast. Angeleri of Estudiantes is only just starting his comeback from long-term injury - and we'll have to see if this has affected his pace, which was his outstanding asset. Walter Samuel Inter Milan and Boca Juniors. Complain about this comment (Comment number 21). I dont know if it is something with the Argentinians, but they have some kind of mystic regarding the tournament. Rafinha played the full 90 minutes for Flamengo. He also played in Mexico with Necaxa and was very impressive there.He has a strike ratio of about 1 in 3 for Wigan, and though he is more prolific than Chucho, perhaps he is more one-dimensional and less skilful.Still, another South American import from Mexico is doing well in the Premiership, and the potential can be further fulfilled. Part of the all-conquering Santos team that was spearheaded by Neymar, Danilos array of winners medals isnt half bad. Is the Copa Libertadores better than the Champions League? Liverpool isn't really part of England either, is it? List of Copa Libertadores balls. Complain about this comment (Comment number 34). Obviously, 2019 winner Flamengo heads into Sunday's showdown the much stronger side and the clear favorite. 3 Conclusion The difference between Champions League and Copa Libertadores The Champions League is the top continental competition for Europe hosted by UEFA, while the Copa Libertadores is the top competition for South America which is hosted by CONMEBOL. Look forward to Monday's edition.All the best,TDTwww.thedirtytackle.blogspot.comwww.manonplatform13.blogspot.com, Complain about this comment (Comment number 71). In the present format, the same bigger teams invariably get access to the cash. Only official match balls of tournament. The Champions League and the Copa Libertadores are 2 of the top club competitions in the world. The Milan sides now crumble to English opponenents, Arsenal and United beating Milan in recent years for example. ipad covers, Complain about this comment (Comment number 97), This is highly informatics, crisp and clear. In the same match, in the midst of all the confusion, a drone appeared flying over the field with a tease to the River, displaying a Series B ghost! Spare a thought, then, for South America, where the equivalent competition, the Copa Libertadores, is about to define its semifinalists. #34 I was not suggesting compulsory groupings, merely leaving the possibility open. Complain about this comment (Comment number 37), 15 subterraneanThe idea that Estudiantes could not compete with the likes of Stuttgart,Olimpakos,Bordeaux,Cska Moscu,Fiorentina or Arsenal is ridiculous this is a team full of experience 7 or 8 Argentina internationals who almost beat Barca in the World club final without their current keeper Orion and Sosa.Lets put a Libertadores slant on it a match in Europe and the other leg in La Plata and lets see how the Europeans would handle it, Complain about this comment (Comment number 38). Complain about this comment (Comment number 11). The average age of Italian teams is shocking and does not bode well for the future.The dominance of English clubs in the last few seasons has been worrying, mainly as it is four clubs that are very strong instead of Spain's two (despite the fact that I believe looking at the entire league, La Liga is just as strong). Complain about this comment (Comment number 22). But it used to amaze me how a team that gets knocked out of the competion automatically gets a place in the UEFA (Europa now isn't it?). Unbelievable, they won the game and went to the next round! Watch out! Complain about this comment (Comment number 23). Complain about this comment (Comment number 16). Complain about this comment (Comment number 25). Having never seen a Copa Libertadores match, I can't comment on what the standard of football is like within the competition from week to week, however, I do have first hand experience of the top league in Bolivia having seen Bolivar who were mentioned in the blog. One of the more notable ones was when Philippe Coutinho played for Bayern Munich, against his parent club (Barcelona).if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'footballhandbook_com-leader-4','ezslot_15',112,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footballhandbook_com-leader-4-0'); He came off the bench to score 2 goals and produce 1 assist against Barcelona! Probably, and more central focal point up front like Higuain or Milito would provide more balance, and also more in midfield, maybe Maxi or Lucho. It now seems unthinkable that Borussia Dortmund, Red Star Belgrade, Marseille or Ajax would be able to build the best team in Europe and win the Champions League, or even that a team like Panathinaikos could reach the semis. The Copa Libertadores is South America's equivalent of the Champions League, and David Luiz became just the twelfth player to ever win both. Precedent Precedent Multi-Temp; HEAT KING 450; Trucks; Auxiliary Power Units. With just six countries supplying the 16 teams in the knockout phase of the Champions League, many in Europe are concerned by excessive concentration. As recently as 2014, eventual champions San Lorenzo of Argentina were alone in the semifinals with rivals from Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay. There is not much interest in the competition once your nations team is eliminated-----------------------------------------------------------------------So your teams are from one of the big 5 countries then? UCL talking points: Bayern's ruthless run, group stage MVP and dark horse teams, Barca great Pique announces sudden retirement, Garnacho nets first goal but Man Utd finish 2nd, Garber: 'No reason' Paulson should sell Timbers, Back El Tri! However, the Champions League may have more prestige due to its widespread popularity, as compared to the Copa Libertadores. Complain about this comment (Comment number 3), I don'tnot think it as good as europe champion league. You're saying more teams from 'lesser' countries gives more opportunity for them to qualify- of course it does, but it also dilutes the competition.If Swedish teams do better in European competition, they earn an extra place. Get your . 23 - zabaleta hasn't played under maradona - he was called upfor the last 2 rounds of world cup qualifying, but had to drop out injured.maradona has had a look at so many players - for someone to break in from outside at this late stage is unlikely, but not impossible. Real Madrid vs Real Madrid DLS full gameplay, you can check out this article to find out more, it will go straight to penalties instead of extra time, UEFA abolished the away goals rule in June 2021, where 8 of them have to be homegrown players, the permitted size for a Copa Libertadores squad is 30, homegrown rule in the Premier League, Champions League and other competitions in my guide here, Philippe Coutinho played for Bayern Munich, against his parent club (Barcelona), read more about the loan players rules in the different leagues with my guide. Since when is finishing 20 points (maybe an exaggeration) off 1st place a success? And Copa Libertadores es obsesin. If you are looking to learn anything about the beautiful game, youve come to the right place! I know very little about the copa libertadores however I do feel I can enter the debate about the Champions League being boring or not. Stage 1 is the group stages while in second stage we have the knockout ties. David Luiz: Brazilian defender reveals surprise new look aged 35. . This is one of the best blogs I have read.Ashburn Dentisttattoo, Complain about this comment (Comment number 98), I mean when was ther last time clubs like Arsenal and Liverpool actually were 'champions' of their own league? This is the very reason why Uefa are constantly looking at ways of revising the set up.. As it is mentioned frequently it is no longer a champions league and is a tournament for the big boys from the top 3 or 4 countries.. In many ways the clubs from the smaller European countries (Holland, Portugal, Denmark, Scotland, etc) would be better setting up their own competition and avoiding the CL. He then moved to Inter in 2005, with the no-nonsense centre-back finally adding the Champions League to his collection in 2010. Copa Libertadores standings for the 2022 season. (rebranded in 1992, previously European Cup which began in 1955), Complain about this comment (Comment number 52). Complain about this comment (Comment number 61). The Estudiantes defenders could not catch him to throw sand at his backside as he scored a hat-trick. Now you make it easy for me to understand and implement the concept. The first one was obtained in the year 1997 with the cruise. It all makes the Libertadores a much less predictable competition than the Champions League. Feint hopes remain in the other half of the draw. The competition does not 'favour' the top 3 sides from England, Spain, Italy, and Germany- teams from those countries are usually the best teams.because you have the strongest teams from the strongest leagues competing, the tournament is much more wide open than it was as the old European Cup from the 1950s-1980s, when Real Madrid won 5 in a row, Benfica 2 in a row, Ajax 3 in a row, Bayern Munich 3 in a row, Liverpool 2 in a row, Milan 2 in a row, etc. bulky and awkward to carry - crossword clue; word-picture puzzle - crossword clue; how to get achievements in minecraft Champions League last-16 Power Rankings: Can anyone stop Man City, Bayern? The Champions League and Copa Libertadores, which are the biggest continental club tournaments in Europe and South America, respectively, have been home to some of the best talents in world football over the years, but only a handful of players have got their hands on both titles. With Ballack, Berbatoov, Lucio etc. There are 10 member countries in CONMEBOL, and all of them will participate in the Copa Amrica. With some big names to enjoy, along with the surprise factor and the sneak preview of the up and comers, then perhaps a connection can be made between the Copa Libertadores and Herman's Hermits. Only one team (Porto) from outside the big 5 have contested a CL final since it started. In the past, the Copa Libertadores finals used to be two-legged too, where the finalists had to play both home and away. Nacional are a side built to defend, they have only managed nine goals in the nine matches they have played, and failed to hit the target in any of the past three. In recent years Porto and Lyon and sevilla have become financially strong as a result of playing in the champions league regularly. Book your free consultation with our Caribbean travel expert today Hi! Or at least the top two from each country. Complain about this comment (Comment number 66). While you will be able to view the content of this page in your current browser, you will not be able to get the full visual experience. After that, teams will be slowly eliminated until the finals where the top 2 teams will play against each other. Complain about this comment (Comment number 6). #18 tomefccam is spot on!Yes, the CL has its usual suspects every season, but there's also a good surprise every single time. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. His only draw back is a slight lack of pace, but it very rarely shows. Only 12 players in history can boast of having won both prestigious titles, nine Brazilians and three Argentines. It could've easily done without the first 3 paragraphs. Meanwhile, the clubs that participate in the Copa Libertadores originate from countries in the CONMEBOL football association. Complain about this comment (Comment number 48). When Liverpool failed to qualify for instance but were put in through a hastily concocted new emergency rule. Visit our football page Perhaps his relationship with Maradona's daughter, and a fear of appearing to have a 'favourite' counts against him? Tim - I don't have an understanding of the Copa Libertadores enough to make this comparison. The infrastructure and quality players all play in Europe. Luiz won the Champions League in 2012 with Premier League club Chelsea and a. It seems clear that the key date was 2017. The CL is dominated by TV markets and too many clubs from the big 5 (England, Italy, Spain, Germany and France) get a priveliged entry to the competition and the financial rewards that come with that. hey Tim, just wondering what the situation will be like for Pato Abbondanzieri when he arrives at internacionale porto allegre. you have to look at her histroy. Ulf from bersetzung, Complain about this comment (Comment number 99), Complain about this comment (Comment number 100). The two were not related, but their fates were inextricably -- and fatally -- intertwined. So there you have it, 10 footballers whos trophy collections will make most across globe green with envy. Both of them were fast-moving, exciting and the result unpredictable. At 30. Hooray, people discussing Libertadores again! The Copa Libertadores is the showpiece club competition in South America, equivalent to the Champions League in Europe, and there were several household names in attendance at the Bernabeu,. This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Questions on South American football to [email protected], and I'll pick out a couple for next week. You mention Porto winning. It is the highest level of competition in South American club football. Esta uma lista de futebolistas que foram campees da Copa Libertadores da Amrica e da Liga dos Campees da UEFA.. A Libertadores considerada a principal competio entre os clubes de futebol da Amrica do Sul, sendo organizada pela Confederao Sul-Americana de Futebol (CONMEBOL). Please click on the ball to see details. There are enough blogs about the CL already, don't turn this blog into another one. Both the Champions League and Copa Libertadores contain a group stage, and then a knockout round. David Luiz se suma a la exclusiva lista de futbolistas campeones en Champions League y Copa Libertadores. I'm convinced someone like Sky - or even the BBC? Specials; Thermo King. Tut tut 47..this is the view of the little islander. For the third year in a row, the Copa Libertadores title will be won by a Brazilian club. All Copa Libertadores tables: home, away, attack, defense. Multi-millionaire prizes, amazing arenas, people from all over the globe watching, and foreigners paying a lot of money for the best seats. Their strategy is based on producing players and selling them on, and this year's crop looks very promising. Meanwhile, the second list (List B) consists of players who are born on or after 1 Jan 1995 as well as other requirements.There can be an unlimited number of players who are registered on List B. Today's Top Quizzes in Sports. I know he's been in good form for Flamengo, but what do you think Tim? A European champion on May 22 and a South American on June 26. The format has hardly changed since 2002. Better than his predecessor in the most recent qualifiers at least. BBC 2014 The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. You can't buy that niche. 'No favourites in Copa Libertadores final' - Flamengo and Palmeiras set for clash. Maradona has been poor so far, but their fates were inextricably and... 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